Rich Eccl 9_5When discussing what happens to a person after death, Jehovah’s Witnesses will refer you to Ecclesiastes 9:5: “the dead know nothing at all…” (Watchtower’s 2013 New World Translation). Some Witnesses have memorized an earlier version: “the dead… are conscious of nothing at all…” (NWT).

If you try to get them to focus on the context, they usually say, “But the Bible says right here…” and then repeat those words like a mantra. They consider that partial sentence to be the definitive declaration of the state of the dead—all other Bible passages are required to be interpreted to conform to it.

How can we get them to look at that verse in context?

In order to focus on the context, I recommend that you say something like this: “I’m sure you’ll agree with me that just because a statement is made in the Bible doesn’t mean that it expresses God’s viewpoint.”

Then ask one of the Witnesses to read Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 aloud to see whose viewpoint is being expressed: “For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten. Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they no longer have any share in what is done under the sun” (Watchtower’s 2013 New World Translation):

  1. The dead will never have any further reward.
  2.  All memory of the dead is forgotten.
  3. The dead will no longer have any share in what is done under the sun.

Ask, “Does no one have any further reward beyond the grave? Is all memory of them forgotten? Is there no further hope of life on earth? Doesn’t that contradict the Watchtower’s teaching that we can live forever in paradise on earth?”

Let them struggle with the contradiction and try to explain it to you. Keep them focused on these verses and avoid letting them jump to other Scriptures.

Then ask them to look at the larger context of passage. Most of the book of Ecclesiastes is expressed—not from God’s eternal perspective—but from the perspective of a man who sees this present life as all there is, the only possible source of satisfaction. Have one of the Witnesses read aloud Ecclesiastes 1:2: “’The greatest futility!’ says the congregator, ‘The greatest futility! Everything is futile!” (Watchtower’s 2013 New World Translation)

Ask, “Does that express God’s viewpoint or a man’s? Is everything really futile? Is God the one telling us that? If so, there would be no point reading on to the next verse, let alone all the way to Ecclesiastes 9! It seems to me pretty clear that what’s being expressed is the opinion of a man who is looking that this life as all there is or as all there will ever be.”

The point you are making is this: The context of Ecclesiastes 9:5—the entire verse, the verses around it, and the book as a whole—refutes the idea that this is God’s revelation concerning the state of the dead to which our interpretation of all other Bible passages must conform.

At this point, they will probably want to jump to another part of the Bible. I recommend that you say, “I’ll be glad to look elsewhere in the Bible with you, but first let’s settle this issue about how Ecclesiastes is to be understood. My point is that we can’t just read a few words in one verse and say, ‘That’s it. The Bible says it.’ Instead, we have to look very carefully at the full context in order to know whether the words express God’s viewpoint or man’s. If God is telling us that the dead are conscious of nothing at all then he is also telling us that dead people have been completely forgotten and that they will have no reward. But that doesn’t come from God. That’s the viewpoint of man.” 


Your turn:

Have you ever discussed Ecclesiastes 9:5 with Jehovah’s Witnesses? Do you think this approach would help them understand the importance of considering this verse in context? Do you have other suggestions?

Share your thoughts in the comments.